Video Card Sag Test: Thermals & Frequency on Drooping GPU


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    Gamers NexusGamers Nexus

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    People complain about GPU sag all the time, but we wanted to see if GPU sag actually impacts thermal and frequency performance on a 1080 Ti Xtreme.
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    Article: www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3424-gpu-sag-test-thermals-frequency-benchmark
    Rather than show a fix for GPU sag, we wanted to look at the impacts of a sagging video card. Our temporary fix involved a wire (for hanging pictures) tied around a radiator screw, but one could also buy or make supports that are specifically built for the task of propping-up a droopy video card. The Gigabyte GTX 1080 Ti Xtreme is one of the heaviest cards we've ever worked with, and most of its weight ends up right-side and unsupported.
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Vor 17 Tage
Scott
Scott

Solution = Vertical GPU mount, zero sag.

Vor 15 Tage
Good Dog
Good Dog

Coolermaster Mastercase Maker 5T has an included GPU support bracket that really helps with sag

Vor 16 Tage
Vash
Vash

if you dont want that beat up old 1080ti ill take it lol *cry*

Vor 16 Tage
TrustNothing
TrustNothing

hows gigabytes 2080 ti structurally?

Vor 17 Tage
Whinette Karmina
Whinette Karmina

Please use the correct degree symbol in your charts :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_symbol

Vor 17 Tage
GregzVR
GregzVR

I have a 10-buck GPU stand from Amazon, stress on the card... be gone!

Vor 9 Tage
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul

Even with basically no difference in temps and frequency, and well within the safe margin for flexing on the PCB and the PCIe slot, it's still something for the ease of mind. It just looks and feels better if the card sits straight in the system.

Vor 10 Tage
Роман Ворончихин
Роман Ворончихин

I have a closed case on the floor behind the table... And I can't bear with sag! I use disassembled pen to deal with it.

Vor 11 Tage
spidermeow
spidermeow

and i thought i was the only one nitpicking about it when i saw my ol gigabyte gtx970 "sagging" as well...

Vor 12 Tage
AeonShlasouf
AeonShlasouf

I have a gigabyte 1080Ti Gaming OC and no sag. I saw somewhere that sagging happens when the screws retaining the card into the case are not tighten enough so before buying a gpu support try that.

Vor 12 Tage
Franklin Romines
Franklin Romines

I use this http://www.amazon.com/Power-Spectra-Fiber-Braided-Fishing/dp/B005ADORGK and a black magic marker.

Vor 13 Tage
Gixxer983
Gixxer983

Eeverything i ever owned from Gigabyte has died on me. Motherboard, GPU.. Now using MSI products and am very happy. Also have used Asus and never had problems.

Vor 13 Tage
Globespy
Globespy

I guess I must have a better sample than you guys in regard to performance. 2050Mhz @ 1.062v and never gets above 67C in Witcher 3 on high settings 1440p - tuned the OC when running Witcher to ensure no thermal throttling takes place. Witcher 3 is of course one of the most demanding titles, with other AAA titles like Destiny 2 barely ever breaking the 60C mark. Idle temps for web browsing are 29-30C in 29C ambient room temperature. Stock cooling. But the sag is of course an issue unless you had the common sense to install an aluminum support when you first installed the card. With cards this heavy, I think motherboard manufacturers need to work on how GPUs are supported as many 3rd party RTX 2080ti cards will also sag like this given enough time given their size and weight. But I guess you had to call out one card! Maybe next year you can repeat the article on a saggy Asus RTX card?

Vor 13 Tage
Allan Bruno Petersen
Allan Bruno Petersen

Word of caution, I tried leveling a GTX 970 by strip ties to the cooler, result was terrible GPU temps due to a tiny gap between the GPU and cooler. This was after it had been sagging for years, so it was likely settled-in at the sag level.

Vor 13 Tage
forestR1
forestR1

Now test SLI using closer slots, and let only the bottom card sag (creating actual space for air to the top card) - I think this would make a much bigger difference (in a good way)

Vor 13 Tage
Fred bruinsma
Fred bruinsma

I have had a MSI N275GTX Twin Frozr OC with severe sag over time. The sag was that bad the block on the GPU was cracked. Temps went up very high and fast. http://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/support/N275GTX_Twin_Frozr_OC

Vor 13 Tage
ABQCML
ABQCML

What about a gpu putting pressure when inserted that the mobo curves around the slot?

Vor 13 Tage
Neeri The Dragon
Neeri The Dragon

I've put one of those brickheadz from LEGO underneath my card to remove sag! Asus strix 1070 ti, btw. I've had minimal sag over a year, probably a couple of mm.

Vor 13 Tage
markuks
markuks

Thats why my gigabyte 1070 and 1080 both are being supported by a gpu mount from coolermaster. The best way for a gpu to not sag is by fitting a vertical gpu mount. Though I’ve seen a small temp difference with the gpu vertical vs horizontal, so I went back to horizontal. If you remove the gpu, is there a noticeable bend on pcb, is it no long flat?

Vor 13 Tage
jeffreywarf
jeffreywarf

Part of the reason I wanna use a cube or htpc case

Vor 14 Tage
Shahnewaz
Shahnewaz

All these people making sexual humour out of this, and I'm worried that it's gonna break long term with an accidental kick to the case. EDIT: It's not just that the GPU is slowly pulling itself out, the board is also bending inwards. Will this stretch and damage the PCB over time and lead to an early death? Who knows.

Vor 14 Tage
Cyril Van Eijkelenburg
Cyril Van Eijkelenburg

Two years ago when I worked at a computer repair shop a customer did bring a pc with a sagging gpu which gave no video output . What had happened was that somehow the pci-slot was damaged (maybe the pins didn't make contact correctly ,it was beyond our expertise since it was a government funded repairshop so we didn't make any profit so we didn't even have the equipment to magnify it (that was actually a lie they told us since they got paid by the government for the volunteers that worked there but they just didn't want to spend their free money on what they were actually supposed to spend it on which was to educate the volunteers (this is also the reason why I don't work there anymore) ,fortunately for the kid his motherboard had more than one pci-e*16 so I put the gpu is the second slot and everything worked fine after that (I also made some kinda custom thingy to hold the gpu in the right position so no sagging anymore). Did some googling and I'm pretty sure it was a Gigabyte gtx 980 g1 .

Vor 14 Tage
Joe shmoe
Joe shmoe

I will take any saggy 1080t.i's, I'm not fussy!

Vor 14 Tage
Andrius Kamarauskas
Andrius Kamarauskas

i have Cooler Master: HAF XB EVO gpu stands verticaly and heavy cpu cooler (dark rock pro 3) which is also vertical wont cause any problems on motherboard

Vor 14 Tage
Unlimited Gaming & Motorsport
Unlimited Gaming & Motorsport

I have that same exact card and all of what you said is not true in my case. The card has minimal to no sag. One of the best I've had. Temperatures are cool. Runs around 60c overclocked. Does 2088mhz. It is absolutely perfect 1080 Ti.

Vor 14 Tage
Chad Mulligan
Chad Mulligan

its almost like these manufacturers WANT your stuff to bend and break...

Vor 14 Tage
Spooky Ougi
Spooky Ougi

currently building a pc with an asus strix 1070ti and an asus prime x470-pro motherboard, i hope it doesnt sag, the ocd will kill me if it does

Vor 14 Tage
crazymonkeyboom
crazymonkeyboom

Fix sag by using rgb strips so it doesn't look so bad

Vor 15 Tage
Kaihekoa
Kaihekoa

Great detailed analysis as usual!

Vor 15 Tage
Rhevl
Rhevl

Sagging like a pair of doubleD titties on a 45 year old single mother.

Vor 15 Tage
Snake Roberts
Snake Roberts

The Yesman (TechYesCity) says the Aorus Xtreme is a fantastic card...Brian's fav 1080 ti! Nuff said...lol

Vor 15 Tage
Todd Simone
Todd Simone

Just turn your case upside down

Vor 15 Tage
Mr. House
Mr. House

Getting a modern motherboard with metal reinforced PCIe is enough, Gigabyte boards are like that

Vor 15 Tage
Robair
Robair

The water cooling dude has a decent fix

Vor 15 Tage
Wiggy G
Wiggy G

I have two 2080 ti's and they are too close together causing heat throttling at 88 degrees. using 3 slot nvlink and z370xp sli motherboard. Think of putting on two 80mm fans to the side of both fans to drag the hot air out? any suggestions?

Vor 15 Tage
Sample Text
Sample Text

I thought my old 7970 sagged, that things straight up whiskey dicked. Personally not a deal breaker if the price is right. I would just 3d print a bracket to bolt the end of the card to the case like i do with any saggy and or heavy gpu to take weight off the pci-e slot and to keep it straight.

Vor 15 Tage
Rapid Growth Industries
Rapid Growth Industries

Hey, we saw your video about GPU sag! We ran in to this same problem a few years ago. We have tested many prototypes for this issue before finally coming to our current solution. We tried a few bracing options (like a vertical stick coming up, or a string hanging from above.) before deciding on a brace that bolts to the PCI screws was the way to go. We sell two different types of graphics cards braces that work with Dual or single GPU set ups. Gemini is the better option for dual because sometimes people only have 1 slot between cards. It also works fine for single and people can purchase an additional one later if the add another card. The Atlas also gets the job done at a cheaper price. Both have the largest possible air flow holes without bending too easily. There are other Chinese manufactures that have tried to copy us, but none of them have gotten the 3 screw holes right. Often the metal of the case itself bends with this much cantilevered weight on it. So our holes are much wider for the bridge to be tightened at the best angle; so after the case flexes the cards is still horizontal. It also has the ability to slide up or down to adjust to different GPU thicknesses. We learned that if you make a thin single card brace it will need to be metal. However, if its Aluminum Anodized, the thin coating can be scratched off by a protruding Power Connector solder point and shorts to the case ground... bad news! That's why our Gemini Brace has a thick glossy black non conductive powder coat on the whole thing. Gemini Graphics Card Brace http://www.amazon.com/Gemini-Graphics-Brace-Compatible-Bitcoin/dp/B06XSYMVHB/ref=sr_1_1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1546634952&sr=8-1&keywords=gemini+graphics+card+brace Atlas Graphics Card Brace http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DQK7DDW?ref=myi_title_dp

Vor 15 Tage
Kyle De Freitas
Kyle De Freitas

Could it really fall out of the socket if its screwed into the case?

Vor 15 Tage
DJJOOLZDE
DJJOOLZDE

There's a distant tale of one crazy experiment where nearly ALL the 1080Ti Xtreme's were mounted on-top of each other. The sag was so intense that it created a hole deep towards the earth's core, nearly opening a 3D Vision(TM) dimensional rift. Mathematicians tried to calculate the distance using sagonometry, but it proved to be far too difficult even for our planets elite.

Vor 15 Tage
TechMantra
TechMantra

0:02 seconds in - Me: *Winces*

Vor 15 Tage
ZZstaff
ZZstaff

I stay away from all Gigabyte video cards, primarily because their fans have a history of failing early or sooner than some other companies, MSI Lightning series for example. On the flip side, I have purchased many Gigabyte motherboards, so, I am not a fan boy of any particular name brand.

Vor 15 Tage
barryseaworth
barryseaworth

Is that card heavier than the msi titanium?

Vor 15 Tage
josh hightower
josh hightower

14:38 anyone else bothered by the missing slot cover and the screw that does not match?

Vor 15 Tage
Cobraazi
Cobraazi

test with 1080ti Poseidon ;)

Vor 15 Tage
FruitSnaq
FruitSnaq

I had a GTX 970 Strix card in a Corsair 400c case, after 3 years of gaming (roughly) the card had sagged so much, when I propped it up or pushed it upward into its natural position the display would often turn black or have major artifacting

Vor 15 Tage
John Pfister
John Pfister

had a old XFX Radeon HD 5830 bought in 2010. The sag was very noticeable, probably because the two six pin power connecters pluged in from the end of the card.

Vor 15 Tage
xnonsuchx
xnonsuchx

So when your significant other starts to sag, don't worry because you'll replace it with a younger model next year anyway. ;-)

Vor 15 Tage
TheZaurus6
TheZaurus6

I thought i knew a lot about pc's until i watched this channel and realised that i am noob.😅😅😅

Vor 15 Tage
Justyn
Justyn

This has always worried me since GPUs started getting bigger and heavier, with all-encompassing HSFs. Not for performance, but for longevity of the card. Someone's got to invent some sort of proper support to deal with this.

Vor 15 Tage
Joseph DiFeo
Joseph DiFeo

reference cards ftw

Vor 16 Tage
Michael Orgunov
Michael Orgunov

My rx 580 armor mk1 edition has a small cooler and sags. The way I stopped it from becoming worse is using the power cable for the gpu (since mine is pretty thick and sturdy) and resting the curve of the cable on the hard drive bay (Corsair 100r). This does not change anything airflow wise, but props the rx 580 up slightly and prevents future sag. I’m not sure why it’s sagging in the first place since it’s a thin card and has a pretty light cooler. I guess it’s because there is just no support for the cooler since it’s a two slot card but the cooler does not get supported by the second slot and is attached only on the pcb.

Vor 16 Tage
Joshua Foster
Joshua Foster

I got a Gigabyte 980 with a winforce cooler, good to see nothing has changed lol. I have a cell phone back holding it up atm.

Vor 16 Tage
lesslighter
lesslighter

when your GPU is too THICC

Vor 16 Tage
DarkKokoro84
DarkKokoro84

Steve, beings we're on the topic of gpu sag and such. This would be a good time for me to ask, is there any real case scenario reason to have pci slot Armor/plating on motherboards. I do know that suggested its preventive from keep soldered slot pins from exiting the board itself, but honestly imo this has never been a issue before. So why now? Or Is this just more marketing BS!?

Vor 16 Tage
Rice Cooker
Rice Cooker

i have that exact gpu and the sag annoys the fuck outta me

Vor 16 Tage
Pasta Sarmonella E-Specialé
Pasta Sarmonella E-Specialé

There is one other thing that JayzTwoCents showed that fixes the GPU sag problem, put a small metal brick and insert it above the GPU´s mount where you actually got a tear at the chassis gpu mount will sit and you´re off with one concern less to deal with. Edit: That is one THICC graphics card taking up a lot of space to the degree that those 90 degree alternative mounts is beginning to be something for practical use not looks as they were intented for as marketed.

Vor 16 Tage
Southern ofTexas
Southern ofTexas

If I had friends that talked smack about a little sag on a GTX 1080 TI, I'd get new friends.

Vor 16 Tage
Dominik No
Dominik No

Lol i actually put my normal tower case pc horizontally on the floor so that my card is vertical into motherboard when i built it 2 years ago ( my msi rx 470 was heavy and really saggy ) cuz i thought that wasnt normal and that i cant let the gpu hang even for a few millimeters. Its still in the same position . Facepalm 💪🙈🔫

Vor 16 Tage
j jon
j jon

my rx550 4gb already sagg's 1/2 inch after 2 weeks of use it's a few mills more after 10 months is almost 3/4 inch sag now but the card has been overheating since day 1 since new.

Vor 16 Tage
Astto
Astto

You should know, heat + bending will degrade the hardware faster.

Vor 16 Tage
Ceadderman
Ceadderman

Talk to JayZ2Cents about sag fix. He had a pretty good idea for multi slot cards.

Vor 16 Tage
Gay Gay
Gay Gay

Really running out of ideas for videos lmao

Vor 16 Tage
Dark-Killerfight
Dark-Killerfight

My case came with an extra support for the back of the gpu to keep it up, it's rubber on an iron extension that you can screw in. Unfortunately i cant use it with my eatx board

Vor 16 Tage
Excalibur
Excalibur

Gigabyte Xtreme 1080Ti owners were so convinced that what they bought was the best card, that they failed to see ultimately how it was actually the worst in many scenarios. The ROG Strix & FTW3 cards were always the better designs.

Vor 16 Tage
Robu Bogdan
Robu Bogdan

Gtx 970 asus strix, sag, sag, but the problem is that 1/10 the pc start whit black screen...change de case whit one cubicle, the video card stay now on the pci, no problem by 2 years... Dont buy sag cards

Vor 16 Tage
komokaziboschetti
komokaziboschetti

I don't understand how sag like that even occurs... Does it have to do with internal structural integrity of the card itself? Why would anyone put their graphics card(s) in anything other than the full sized PCI-e slots? I got 2 full sized cards (r9 390s) and have absolutely no sag after years of use.

Vor 16 Tage
Broadizzlz
Broadizzlz

i have the CoolerMaster GPU support on both of my systems, works wonders for GPU sag

Vor 16 Tage
yesfull man
yesfull man

Are you for fucking real?!? I've been unsubbeedd! Good thing I watch other tech channels or you guys would of been lost....

Vor 16 Tage
Wayne Wen
Wayne Wen

The 900 hof series are quite heavy and say a little but they are such gd thermal performers

Vor 16 Tage
Cartoonman154
Cartoonman154

You can get customer GPU supports on ebay.

Vor 16 Tage
Derek Berry
Derek Berry

Evga ftw3 still look perfect :3

Vor 16 Tage
Ingo Knito
Ingo Knito

my totally new sapphire nitro+ rx580 is about the same build quality sucks like hell

Vor 16 Tage
💀
💀

BUST A SAG http://youtu.be/k9m17z6B5TY

Vor 16 Tage
P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV
P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV

Graphics cards should get a standard mounting point for fixing a third-party anti-sag tool. Like a stand-off or rope or whatever fits your case.

Vor 16 Tage
Bulwark AC
Bulwark AC

Jay had a few ideas on how to adjust sag http://youtu.be/EOXYE3hx_JY

Vor 16 Tage
Branden's Outdoor Channel
Branden's Outdoor Channel

Just fill in the gap on the pci expansion bracket slot with a screw. Jay has a video on it.

Vor 16 Tage
MoDRun
MoDRun

sooooo why hasnt any gpu maker started to make anti sag plate integrated on their gpus yet

Vor 16 Tage
Steven B
Steven B

I can't stand my computer case vertically because my MSI 1060 6GB sags so much the slot connections fails and I can't boot. I fixed the problem by putting the case on its side so the card is vertical.

Vor 16 Tage
PrettyboyPa
PrettyboyPa

Ive had the aorus xtreme 1080ti for over a year now and it does not sag like that

Vor 16 Tage
KingdomPaladinZ
KingdomPaladinZ

I have the non-xtreme(same card without rgb logo) version and I hardly notice any sag. It's installed in a MSI X370 gaming pro carbon motherboard and corsair spec 02 case. pcie slots are made out of metal so I don't know if that affects anything or if there something wrong with the case or motherboard in the video.

Vor 16 Tage
thelongslowgoodbye
thelongslowgoodbye

Stop the suffering of this graphics card! Water cool your graphics card today!

Vor 16 Tage
Quintyss
Quintyss

Steve, is it possible for a card this heavy to cause damage over time to the motherboard socket? Perhaps case manufacturers should consider horizontally mounted motherboards moving forward into this world of heavy graphics cards.

Vor 16 Tage
Succy Succ Succ
Succy Succ Succ

Dude, just get a GPU bra.

Vor 16 Tage
Cursed Owls Gaming
Cursed Owls Gaming

I worry more about the pcie slot itself honestly. I have found MSI cards tend to sag to worst.

Vor 16 Tage
Kineticartist
Kineticartist

glad i got the coolermaster vertical gpu mount and modded my NZXT phantom 820 so my gigabyte aorus 1080ti wont sag i must have a binned gpu chip becsuse my non extreme version is a bad ass

Vor 16 Tage
Scooby
Scooby

Does it hang down low, does it sway to and fro.

Vor 16 Tage
blitzwing1
blitzwing1

My fear is more mechanical strain with multiple heat cylces on PCB's, whether that is the card itself or on the motherboard slot. Solder joints can't start to break when they are being pulled, pushed or twisted in one direction more than another. It would be interesting to know if there are cards out there with extreme sagging that have failed due to broken solder joints.

Vor 16 Tage
David Martins
David Martins

Link speed can also drop from 16x to 8x or even 4x.

Vor 16 Tage
Zyanide
Zyanide

My old 970 Strix sagged alot. So i tried a gpu bracket and a gpu stand. Both of them increased the temps of the card by about 5-8 degrees celcius. Tested this a few times, before just accepting the GPU sag.

Vor 16 Tage
Ahivalaostia88
Ahivalaostia88

Gigabyte is a POS

Vor 16 Tage
Kiiro Neko
Kiiro Neko

I'm very happy a Youtube channel (GN nonetheless) finally called Gigabyte out on GPU sag. My very first GPU was a Gigabyte 7970 (Triple fan model) and the sag was so severe that the card died in less than two weeks. When I sent the card back, Gigabyte rejected the RMA because "The PCB was bent". I still have the GPU in my closet somewhere, $300 down the drain. Needless to say I haven't bought a Gigabyte tech item since that happened.

Vor 16 Tage
Adrian May
Adrian May

So I've experienced stability issues with a GPU sagging. I installed a cooler master GPU bracket and the stability issues have gone completely. I know specially that it was the day causing the issue, because I was able to slightly press on the card while the computer was on, and cause the PC to blue screen.

Vor 16 Tage
Thinus Kruger
Thinus Kruger

Hey. It's normal if the one side hangs a little lower than the other.

Vor 16 Tage
David Minor
David Minor

I could see where a heavy card like your example would have no difference in temperature but that it could slowly pull away from the contacts due to weight mixed with the power cords helping to pull it away

Vor 16 Tage
M
M

My friend has that card, the Aorus, we just pulled the cables over the top of the card and with the mobo cable, so there's no visible cables at the bottom of the case in the S340 Elite, so just looks better too as well as supports the card.

Vor 16 Tage
Shannon Smith
Shannon Smith

It's pretty normal imo. I have noticed in my life, as things age, droop sets in.....

Vor 16 Tage
Roger Mischke
Roger Mischke

Gravity. It's the LAW.

Vor 16 Tage
Karyū JDM
Karyū JDM

My Zotac 1070ti AMP Extreme sags like a cow

Vor 16 Tage
Antonio 1941
Antonio 1941

Steve I fix GPU sag with zip ties. I zip tie gpu on its plugged in PCIe power connectors on one end and to 5.25 inch drive bay or somewhere. No metal wires please (dangerous, conductive!)

Vor 16 Tage
Ioannis
Ioannis

Well what can i say i have this card over a year now and it does not sag at all. Good temps not noisy. Inside a fractal desigh r5 case. I once dissasembled it i wanted to chance the thermal paste just for the heck of it not cause of any thermal or noise problem.Maybe i just put it back together better? Dont know

Vor 16 Tage
3rd Gen Guy
3rd Gen Guy

My old 780ti Hydro Copper broke a PCI-E slot due to sag+weight 1/2 the pixels on my screen were red and flickering. Now i use a 3/8 DIY rod i made to keep my waterblock'd GTX1080 perfectly level.

Vor 16 Tage
architektur23
architektur23

Got a RTX 2070 from Gigabyte (Gaming OC)... immediately sag around 0,5-1,0cm after install....and RGB worked only one day, Support was useless.....now its really the last time i bought something with a Gigabyte label on it -_- oh and the crappy Software for the motherboard won't even start :D

Vor 16 Tage
fug33
fug33

can you do a test on cases with inverted MBO layouts (I have dark base 700) - I wonder if gpu sag is a thing when the GPU is upside down (or right way up, depending on how you look at it)

Vor 16 Tage
Locks Rocks And What Nots
Locks Rocks And What Nots

Good to know that the one percent lows are not affected by the angle of the dangle....

Vor 16 Tage
Killer32620
Killer32620

damit you had to remind me of my gpu sag... i had forgot about it too...

Vor 16 Tage
Lily Lingg
Lily Lingg

You should use the Silverstone Raven rv02 Case for these big graphic cards :D

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