AMD X570 + PCIe 4 Challenges, Vega VII Boost Retooling


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    We have more information on Vega VII & Ryzen 3000 after meeting with AMD at CES. The Vega VII boosting behavior will be retooled from Vega 56/64.
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Gamers Nexus
Gamers Nexus

Update: Anandtech misreported the ROPs on Vega VII. It is 64, not 128. We met with AMD on-record for Vega VII and CPU discussion, but also spoke off-record with some of AMD's board partners. There is new information in this video not contained in the keynote.

Vor 10 Tage
Scott Anderson
Scott Anderson

Will there be a AIO Water Cooled version of the Radeon 7 like the Vega 64 which was the best performing card of that bunch for sure as I have both a air cooled in my kids computer and water cooled one in mine? I just wonder if it will be worth buying if I already have a Vega 64 Water Cooled card.

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Kristoffer Johnsen
Kristoffer Johnsen

+Skoopsro DLSS just means scaling the game down and applying some really advanced AA and RT cores are not really any useful yet. I'd actually take the Radeon VII but it looks like it will ve extremely rare, so.. yeah.. I guess I'm gonna just keep my Titan X. No real reason to upgrade yet

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Hobeer
Hobeer

Shouldn't it be radeon 7 or vega 2, rather than vega 7?

Vor 6 Tage
Matthew Friemoth
Matthew Friemoth

+Skoopsro Its supposed to bridge the gap between work station and gameplay, for example the DELL all AMD build

Vor 6 Tage
Philip Cooper
Philip Cooper

300W? The TDP wars just got ridiculous.

Vor 9 Stunden
tonkatoytruck
tonkatoytruck

LATEST UPDATE: This card was NEVER meant to be a consumer graphics card. This was made for the artificial intelligence market, automotive industries. HBM2 was too expensive so AMD killed Vega development and focused on Navi. Taping issues during final production caused the delay of the Navi announcement at CES. AMD was losing money on Vega\HBM2. The only reason it was completed was to have a back up plan if Navi failed\delayed. Wait for Navi to be announced in June \ July release. Navi 12 = RX580-1060 performance\RX3060\4GB GDDR6\75W TDP\$130usd Navi 12= Vega56-1070 performance\RX3070\8GB GDDR6\120W TDP\$200usd Navi 10 = Vega 64 + 15% - GTX1080 perfomance\RX3080\8GB DDR6\150W TDP\$250usd Reference: AdoredTV.

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KyuzoMugenUndPanzer
KyuzoMugenUndPanzer

I understand some of the info in Pcie 4 but from what I've been reading Pcie 5 is basically around the corner, wouldn't it be smarter for both mobo and companies like AMD or Nvidia to wait a couple years to utilize the better standard? Or is the push for 4 going to be the standard in a typical PC for awhile like with gen 3?

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KyuzoMugenUndPanzer
KyuzoMugenUndPanzer

+silfumus I kinda understand that, but the question is more or less relevant since GN is talking about gen 4 rather than gen 5, which is the general confusion for me.

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silfumus
silfumus

PCIe 4 is mainly for ML/HPC crowd. Others stick to PCIe 5.

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steve e miller
steve e miller

Please do some extensive testing on the Radeon VII in Blender vs the RTX cards and a 1080ti.

Vor 2 Tage
jim tsolak
jim tsolak

It will be compatible with b450 won't it

Vor 2 Tage
Magni
Magni

Yet another power hog. I give up from AMD cards till further notice.

Vor 3 Tage
kamata93
kamata93

The biggest question is will my Crosshair VI Hero X370 work with Ryzen 3000 series... Now you can pair X370 with Ryzen 2000 series with Bios update. That is the real question.

Vor 3 Tage
robert kennion
robert kennion

I need an upgrade from a fury x...will this be it?

Vor 3 Tage
wabash9000
wabash9000

I'm interested in seeing if the Radeon 7 can have the same 213% power target as Vega 56. That change plus a water block could make it a beast of a card.

Vor 4 Tage
Alessandro Poeta
Alessandro Poeta

http://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_rumoured_to_have_less_than_5_000_radeon_vii_graphics_cards/1

Vor 4 Tage
96donov
96donov

FUCK INTEL !!

Vor 5 Tage
jdpworks
jdpworks

Aorus Master "new" updated rgb illumination.. I just bought this board, head the rgb software was not very good.. Has it been updated?

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M. Bepunkt
M. Bepunkt

pity that nothing was shown to Navi

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Lt Winter
Lt Winter

That was fast! :)

Vor 5 Tage
Hellstorm LLC
Hellstorm LLC

I pre-ordered and purchased the most expensive X370 motherboard with the intentions of it being able to run the Ryzen 3000 series. I hope I didn’t kiss away 320 dollars!! The selling point was the upgrade path come on AMD!!

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ThrobbinHood
ThrobbinHood

Wish I could thumb up the video but thumbs down the products :/

Vor 5 Tage
Christian Fornes
Christian Fornes

Thanks 4 your videos and your point of view. Michael Quesada and you are my favourite tech youtubers.

Vor 5 Tage
Viewer19
Viewer19

1:42

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K Eichelmann
K Eichelmann

That guy is playing The Division 2 in the background

Vor 6 Tage
R3dloh
R3dloh

Am I the only one that doesnt care how many watts a gpu uses? As long as its fast af, I dont care about the $5 bucks a month itll cost me to run it lol

Vor 6 Tage
R3dloh
R3dloh

Twilight Sparkle lol you should be perfectly fine my man.

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Twilight Sparkle
Twilight Sparkle

+R3dloh Well...im a fool xd , anyways do you think that the corsair cx 850m is ok for the i7 9700k and the rtx 2060 ,the wattage of my psu is ok but the quality is SHIT (i guess)

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R3dloh
R3dloh

+Twilight Sparkle Well if you buy a high end gpu and buy a weak psu... youre a fool

Vor 3 Tage
Twilight Sparkle
Twilight Sparkle

That´s not the reason, the main reason is that you have to have a good psu or your PC will turn off every time when the gpu uses all the watts of the psu

Vor 3 Tage
Shady Brady
Shady Brady

Am I looking at RGB cable combs? Just shoot me and get it over with.

Vor 6 Tage
Dpsneeka
Dpsneeka

Nvidia is just butt hurt cause they know now its AMD time to shine Vega 7 will be an improvement and its a BIG STEP in the right direction and a step forward. NAVI will be amazing and within the next couple years AMD will release tons of GPUs and Nvidia can fix all the 2060-2080ti RMAs and shut the F up. Go red team!!!

Vor 6 Tage
cmarek1989
cmarek1989

Yeah, tdp plays a big role for me. I thought that 7nm should consume less

Vor 6 Tage
hubertET
hubertET

Any explanation on ROPs? They doubled (64 to 128) those, and I have heard it helps with performance.

Vor 6 Tage
Mihai-Daniel Muresan
Mihai-Daniel Muresan

what about x370 boards will they work with 3000?

Vor 6 Tage
master P
master P

I really like those white wires! What are those?

Vor 7 Tage
Stephen Patterson
Stephen Patterson

If Vega 7 overclocks/under volts and can be... unlocked (to what i dont know!) like Vega 56 could then it may be a very good card. A vega 56 could punch well above its weight when given a bit of prodding, drop in voltage and some sill memory overclocks could be achieved.

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Granster
Granster

Well done AMD but all I hope is that they don’t put the price up of the new 3xxx cpus! And I’m a i9 9900k owner! As I want them to drive prices down and not follow suit and just match intel and nvidia pricing traits or we’re all screwed!

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Walt Kowalski
Walt Kowalski

in gpu they fucked up

Vor 7 Tage
muinaiset
muinaiset

3000 series on x370? I don't want to get my hopes up. Otherwise, more VRAM with VII compared to 2080 plus Ryzen being bottlenecked at 1080p and below means we got Intel/Nvidia killing Red team 4k gaming machines for cheap coming 2019. Was the slog through 2018 worth it? Gamers may be approaching our promised land with AMD as our prophet.

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Joshua Dunbar
Joshua Dunbar

why is it that everytime that I watch this dude report his findings that I feel the need to take a shower?

Vor 7 Tage
BoomWithPeter
BoomWithPeter

I dont give a fuck about that z390 board bc i3 8100 costs 200€

Vor 7 Tage
Tomáš Bouzek
Tomáš Bouzek

I predict that this hsit will be even under RTX 2080 raw performance, which is in reality RTX 2070 with no hike in memory for 700 USD!

Vor 7 Tage
Gul Dukat
Gul Dukat

700$... Where are all the fanboys who screamed we'd get 1080ti performance for 300$? lmao...

Vor 7 Tage
T01HIG5vb2Jz
T01HIG5vb2Jz

Stop calling it Vega seven, it's Vega II

Vor 7 Tage
T01HIG5vb2Jz
T01HIG5vb2Jz

Vega is too expensive. AMD needs to make midrange Vega card for

Vor 7 Tage
Captain Roger Redbeard
Captain Roger Redbeard

I'm switching to an all AMD system this year. In a nzxt manta case.

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Kytetiger
Kytetiger

I only just understood the marketing scheme ... -.- 4: RX400 5: RX500 6: Radeon Vega 64 7: Radeon 7 #slowpoke I know, it has nothing to do with the chip Gen, they want to forget Vega 56, and RX500 are actually also 4th gen. And i still don't know how to call it. Is it Radeon Vega Two, Radeon Vega Seven, or just Radeon Seven?

Vor 7 Tage
Mihai-Daniel Muresan
Mihai-Daniel Muresan

VII = V (ega) 2(II)

Vor 6 Tage
John Doe
John Doe

So basically it's the same GPU on a new tech process. Great...

Vor 7 Tage
i love street
i love street

@2:44 I want those cables

Vor 7 Tage
rossko peeko
rossko peeko

Ryzen 3000 can’t come quick enough. I need an upgrade lol

Vor 7 Tage
Son Goku
Son Goku

" A distinct lack of screws "

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Rob Khonsu
Rob Khonsu

Why do people keep calling this Vega VII? Isn't the Raedon VII name duel purpose as Raedon Vega II and Raedon 7nm? To me saying Vega VII seems a bit like saying Graphics GPU.

Vor 7 Tage
GamerCare
GamerCare

$699????? For extra fps only? At least give us new features like nvidia has on Ray Tracing and DLSS.

Vor 7 Tage
Ian Sullivan
Ian Sullivan

What Kind of Cellphone case are you using? Can it take a hammer to the face like Linus's cellphone case?

Vor 8 Tage
deep
deep

That guy playing division 2 in the back sets new WR in dying the most in one match ;)

Vor 8 Tage
Shaun
Shaun

Its 64 ROPs

Vor 8 Tage
tr233
tr233

10 GHZ?

Vor 8 Tage
Uni
Uni

AMD are effectively releasing a less effecient 1080 ti almost 2 years after NVidia did. And they don't even have free sync exclusivity to fall back on any more. It's a shame.

Vor 8 Tage
Marc Brown
Marc Brown

Isn't Nvidia guilty of the same thing with their Rtx cards? Ray tracing is a bust for gaming. And their 800$ reference model Rtx card has basically the same performance as the Gtx 1080 ti.

Vor 4 Tage
DaPandaax3
DaPandaax3

Wow i just bught an vega 64 strix

Vor 8 Tage
Christian Rasmussen
Christian Rasmussen

3:53 spacing between the fans aren’t the same, it’s so annoying -.-

Vor 8 Tage
Ecidemon
Ecidemon

Never been a fan of AMD gpus but that Vega card looks sexy!

Vor 8 Tage
Joshua Pineda
Joshua Pineda

Thanks for the update! I was completely unaware that memory amount effected anti-aliasing.

Vor 8 Tage
nicolas 123
nicolas 123

why less stream processors.

Vor 8 Tage
tmkongen
tmkongen

We don't need 16gb VRAM for gaming on a GPU that will struggle with 4k...

Vor 8 Tage
Twilight Sparkle
Twilight Sparkle

That GPU is not for gaming, its more for rendering or something like that

Vor 3 Tage
BrianTheNoob
BrianTheNoob

Does amd coverage video, sponsored by intel.

Vor 8 Tage
tenshi7angel
tenshi7angel

The only exciting thing about Radeon 7 is the 16 GB HBM2 in regards to content creation. So many projects I have seen run out of memory space on consumer cards.

Vor 8 Tage
sahlool
sahlool

IS THAT A 750 WATT PSU?

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sahlool
sahlool

will it work on my system but with 650 WATT psu? exact system on display, same mb and processor (2700x)

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SuperCapuka
SuperCapuka

Did any company showed ddr5 ram sticks?

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Älister Roquer
Älister Roquer

16VRAM holy shit!

Vor 8 Tage
omnisemantic1
omnisemantic1

Idiot spotting: every comment that complains that VII doesn't have RTX & DLSS xD

Vor 8 Tage
mmhorda
mmhorda

if you happen to get Radeon 7 do please overclock + undervolt.

Vor 8 Tage
FRAG aLOT
FRAG aLOT

it's Radeon VII not Vega 7. It's really Vega 2 or "V" for Vega, and "II" for 2.

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Bran Tse Mallory
Bran Tse Mallory

Thank-you for making this video... I guess you'll be testing it before certain other channels even mention the GPU (linus jayz).

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Mira Smit
Mira Smit

300 Watts? Holy shit, well you won't be needing your heater.

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Br turas
Br turas

wooowww Steve 500k ... nicee brother

Vor 8 Tage
Anthony Davis
Anthony Davis

If that ROP count is correct then AMD have stayed true to their word and have aimed to sort out the unbalanced nature of their previous cards who where often ROP or TMU bound which is why at the same lock speed the Vega 56 and Vega 64 cards were performing the same as Vega 64 just didn't have the ROP and TMU throughout available to be able to make use of the shader power. That's why Nvidia cards perform better with less Tflops as they're better balanced then AMD cards but looks like that's about to change.

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Emerld G
Emerld G

Leaked division 2 gameplay on the right

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Red5StandingBy
Red5StandingBy

"Vega" LOL. Clearly says "Radeon VII"

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john figueroa
john figueroa

If you do end up getting the radeon7 review sample can you do me the favor of seeing if it can mgpu with existing rxvega cards? That would help those that do have a 56 or 64 make our decision on purchasing the radeon7 or not. Thanks

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f688xt6
f688xt6

Exciting stuff for the GPU/CPU markets. It's good to see competition.

Vor 8 Tage
Connor Lee
Connor Lee

I love opening all the videos and just hearing "Hey everyone, we're at the _ suite/booth" back to back in the same voice.

Vor 9 Tage
nitroxide91
nitroxide91

What was the game playing in the background?

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Nalianna
Nalianna

Still want to hear about the Ryzen 3000 DESKTOP chips.

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Stevey TeeVee
Stevey TeeVee

Damn that new AMD reference cooler is fucking sick. It's a good thing Nvidia got rid of the blower coolers, those reference Vega cards probably suck for just regular air cooling. So it's nice they both updated their reference designs.

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Richard Scarlett
Richard Scarlett

I'm soooo frigging PIS&ED at AMD / Radeon right now. I havent bought a single Moneyvidia GPU in over 10 years. I've suffered and remained true to AMD / Radeon because they were for us gamers that have intelligence not to pay the outrageously overpriced amounts of money that Moneyvidia want to sell their GPU's at. We just want good performance at a fair price. Now they come out following Moneyvidias BS business plan and stabbed us, the very people that have continued to funnel money into their business, in the backs and said they dont give a damn about us any more. In this situation I woud normally just buy one of their cheaper GPU's and wait for prices to come down to reality. I feel so betrayed, so insulted that I think Im done with AMD Graphics. I think I will just waste my money with Moneyvidia where I at least know that they dont give a crap about in the first place and that wont change. In fact we should ALL just not hand over any more of our hard earned money to AMD Radeon anymore until their GPU mindshare tanks. Maybe then they will remember who brought them to the dance, ask our forgiveness for cheating on us to take them back, that they will sell at fair non-over inflated prices like that other company does. We dont want to pay for 16 Gig of over priced, un necessary memory to fix the mess they made of Vega. Oh and its NOT R7, it is frigging Vega refresh on 7 Nm. Do they really think that they are Moneyvidia and can just BS us, lie to us like this? How insulting that they believe we are that stupid. If they do this same BS with their CPU's, I am done with AMD as a whole, I will file for a divorce from them. I guess they just dont care about us anymore.

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Marc Brown
Marc Brown

Cool story bro.

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Esteban Cruz
Esteban Cruz

I wonder if the people at the booths get nervous when they see him walking up to them.

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saultube44
saultube44

@0:58Why The new Radeon VII has less CUs than the Vega 64? *OH AND FP64 NOT ENABLED* it was supposed to compete with the RTX 2080/GTX 1180, WTF AMD? Oh you really fucked up this time, just when Ryzen 3000 series was kicking Intel ass, you morons come and drop the fuking ball... wow you deserve to be second! This was the moment where you should had done better, to actually met what Lisa said in her speech, we're here to stay and lead not to be second option; it was harder not to do better you had a clear objective and the previous experience of Vega 64 to overtake RTX 2080 +30% performance over the GTX 1080, but no, you had to come and make the next Vega with FUKING LESS CUs, you bunch of morons

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JaysonSR
JaysonSR

From what I've heard, that doubled memory bus might just make Vega a beast. If it turns out to be a monster, it could be time to sell off my current Vega card for the new one.

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Brett Prior
Brett Prior

Soooo.... in testing, which no one tests this shit any more so I figured why the fuck not.... So, in testing the limits of PCIE 1, 2, and 3... I found an RTX 2070 unable to saturate or bottleneck up to PCIE 2.0... It of course does bottleneck on a 1.0 bandwidth .. however once up to 2.0, doubling the figures, there is so much overhead I seriously doubt a 2080 or even ti would NEED a 3.0 bus. So... what the god damn fuck is the use of a 4.0 PCIE bus? Other than fast storage for the needs of enterprise the likes of which normal humans can't even comprehend? I mean, I seriously doubt any human being since the Sandybridge era, has ever saturated their PCIE 3.0 bus to this day... at all. Hell, when overclocked via bclk on a first gen, a PCIE 2.0 bus can surpass a stock 3.0... and it itself, again, isn't an inherent bottleneck while stock. This isn't innovation, this is filler and distraction.

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Niclas
Niclas

Will Ryzen 3 work on an X370 board like the asus prime x370-pro?

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Xedhadeaus
Xedhadeaus

It really sucks that as a value proposition, Nvidia has something that can change the experience in terms of basic immersion. I hope amd can adopt something similar. because if the prices are similar, who wouldn't spend a little more for features that might get polished later on?

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Brian Sipe
Brian Sipe

6:20 I'm trying to listen, but I keep looking at whoever is playing beside you and remarking at how bad they're doing.

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qlum
qlum

The biggest benefit for pci-e 4.0 will probablty external gpu's on laptops as they are heavily bottlenecked by pci-e or generally things like nvme ssd's being used with gpu's.

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Nathan Gamble
Nathan Gamble

Isn't it called Radeon VII, not Vega VII?

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Drew Morgan
Drew Morgan

AMD seriously needs to fire all their video card marketing people. About a year ago, I was in the market for a new workstation card and I honestly spent entirely too much time trying to figure out what their newest series of cards was....... Then I bought a Quadro.

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Mads Christian Mozart Johansen
Mads Christian Mozart Johansen

Hello :) I like your videos and your channel, it's really informative. In regards to PCIe4 Challenges: I know HPE and some other big players is working together on a new "Interconnect" that will basically move us away from the traditional PCIe Controller, memory controllers etc. as we know it today, . More about it here: http://genzconsortium.org/about-us/ / http://news.hpe.com/gen-z-reaches-critical-milestone-in-enabling-open-ecosystem-in-computing/ I was at a HPE Conference last year where they talked about it, some big players, including AMD and HPE is working together on this new standard, while Intel and NVIDIA it making their own system that kinda resembles to Gen-Z albeit with some differences and obviously a different naming scheme, I can't remember those names now. Anyways, If you get the chance, can you ask them about it? it's going to be a big deal, and I would be surprised if something isn't being announced within the next year or so. Not sure exactly if it's going to benefit gamers right of the bat, but I'm sure eventually it will find it's way to you guys as well in some form.

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dcxSpartan117
dcxSpartan117

Will the X370 Chipset be supported for gen 3 Ryzen like the X470? I would definitely like to know as I really enjoy my Asus Crosshair VI Extreme and would like to keep it.

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gertjan van der meij
gertjan van der meij

Since i don't give a crap about Gay Tracing , and i love lot's of Vram , i'm so happy with this Radeon 7 ! Also ....... Nvidia can go to HELL ! and Jensen can go f*ck himself ! Bey bey Nvidia .... Hello AMD !

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gertjan van der meij
gertjan van der meij

3:12 ... That is the OLD Vega logo ! Not even the new one ! ( with the 2 stripes ) OOPS ! ;-)

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Cypher
Cypher

It's disappointing if they don't have an alternative to 2080Ti. I'm hoping they will but not willing to wait half a year to build a new AMD-based PC and then find out 2080 performance is the most I can get from it.

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Browarus Pierogus
Browarus Pierogus

128 ROPs - :O - that's insane!

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Victor Tang
Victor Tang

Good luck getting A binned 2080 for $699. If you look on Newegg they are more $$$

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Cicio
Cicio

Hey Gamers Nexus, Could you do video on what it would take for X470 MB "theoretically" to overload PCIE 3.0? What would it take? 1 GPU, 2 GPU, 4 GPU in Threadripper system, + 1 M.2 NVME drive, 2 M.2 NMVE drives + 1 Gbps NIC, 10 GBps NIC etc. Etc. Etc.

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TheEVEInspiration
TheEVEInspiration

PCI gen 4 is important IMHO, even now. Because hardware can then use up less lanes, ensuring all hungry devices get the best possible performance. It also opens the ceiling of 4 x PCI Gen 3 lanes voor NVMe Solid State disks, allowing competition to continue.

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PITBULL
PITBULL

Badass! thanks bro

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scythelord
scythelord

Everybody is all "intel is gonna lose the performance crown" Which to that I say, AMD will probably hold it for maybe 6 months or so. Once 10 nm lands (which yes it will) the AMD gains are lost. It takes AMD having much smaller process node to come near intel performance.

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Randall Lawkin
Randall Lawkin

That card look sexy as hell

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Crimson Harp
Crimson Harp

It’s set to 8x and I love anti-aliasing. Vega 64 struggles at 16x. I’m really sure that the Radeon VII will run 16x anti-aliasing with high FPS hopefully. I do know that NAVI is on its way once ryzen 3 comes out. Hopefully Navi will blow everyone’s minds.

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